Rove, Biden tussle over "what Biden told Bush"

Yahoo News noted of statements by Karl Rove about statements supposedly made by Joe Biden:

The former Bush adviser [Rove] was referring to Biden’s comments earlier this week on CNN that he and President George W. Bush once had an exchange in the Oval Office, where Bush said, "Well, Joe ... I'm a leader,” and Biden responded: “Mr. President, turn around and look behind you. No one is following.”

"It didn't happen," Rove said. "It's his imagination. It's a made-up, fictional world. He ought to get out of it and get back to reality.”

Fox News included:

Rove was equally appalled by Biden's claims of having given Bush his comeuppance.

"If you notice, all of these incidents have the same structure: Joe Biden courageously raises the impudent question; the president befuddles the answer; and Joe Biden drives home the dramatic response."

Rove scoffed at Biden's claims that "he and the president were sitting there in the Oval Office, he was tutoring the president, he was asking him the critical questions that no one was willing to confront him with."

"With all due respect to the vice president, these are the kind of things you can get away with if you are a United States Senator, or a backbencher in the U.S. House of Representatives," Rove said. "You should not exaggerate and lie like this when you are the Vice President of the United States."

Jay Carney declined to specify the dates of his boss's purported Oval Office scoldings of Bush. Nor would he provide witnesses or notes to corroborate the episodes.

Throughout his career, Biden has often been accused of boasting about his accomplishments, embellishing his credentials and even stealing the words of others. He dropped out of the 1988 presidential race after being accused of plagiarizing British Labor Party leader Neil Kinnock.

IPBiz notes that, in spite of his previous brushes with plagiarism, Biden has become Vice-President. And Ward Churchill did win his case against CU, in spite of his plagiarism and ghost-writing.

See also


Went to a garden party: does Joe Biden hide in your shoes?


Alito jokes about Biden plagiarism

http://ipbiz.blogspot.com/2009/04/churchill-jury-professorial-plagiarism.html

http://ipbiz.blogspot.com/2008/09/on-biden-plagiarism-incident-at.html

***Of plagiarism in speeches, see
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21410 on Churchill-->

Apart from the famous words "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat" (deftly filched from Garibaldi in 1849: "Non offro nè paga, nè quartiere, nè provvigioni. Offro fame, sete, marce forzate, battaglie e morte"), (...)

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Some were new boys like John Profumo, aged twenty-five, fresh from winning a by-election, and in uniform like a number of his young colleagues. On the morning after he had courageously joined the vote against Chamberlain he received a glorious dressing-down from Margesson that should be in any dictionary of political quotations:

And I can tell you this, you utterly contemptible little shit. On every morning that you wake up for the rest of your life you will be ashamed of what you did last night.

They don't make chief whips like that anymore; but history would endorse Profumo and not Margesson.

[IPBiz: recall the end of Profumo--> The Profumo Affair was a political scandal from 1963 in the United Kingdom that is named after the then Secretary of State for War, John Profumo. The Profumo affair developed after Profumo had a brief relationship with a showgirl named Christine Keeler, who was also reputedly the mistress of a known Russian spy, and then lied in the House of Commons when he was questioned about it. [wikipedia]]