Tuesday, September 11, 2007

Burning water AND patents?

David Templeton of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports on Rustum Roy of Penn State University and the "burning" of water:

John Kanzius happened upon the discovery accidentally when he tried to desalinate seawater with a radio-frequency generator he developed to treat cancer. He discovered that as long as the salt water was exposed to the radio frequencies, it would burn.

The discovery has scientists excited by the prospect of using salt water, the most abundant resource on earth, as a fuel.

Rustum Roy, a Penn State University chemist, has held demonstrations at his State College lab to confirm his own observations.

The radio frequencies act to weaken the bonds between the elements that make up salt water, releasing the hydrogen, Roy said. Once ignited, the hydrogen will burn as long as it is exposed to the frequencies, he said.

The discovery is "the most remarkable in water science in 100 years," Roy said.

A blog picked this up:

Dr. Roy said the salt water isn't burning per se, despite appearances. The radio frequency actually weakens bonds holding together the constituents of salt water -- sodium chloride, hydrogen and oxygen -- and releases the hydrogen, which, once ignited, burns continuously when exposed to the RF energy field. Mr. Kanzius said an independent source measured the flame's temperature, which exceeds 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit, reflecting an enormous energy output.

IPBiz notes that there are patent applications involved: Ser. No. 10/969,477 filed on Oct. 8, 2004 AND a CIP thereof, published application 20060190063. The latter application, and other discussion, may be found at rexresearch.com.

IPBiz reminds readers of the microwave grape plasma effect, wherein placement of an ordinary grape can create a plasma inside an ordinary microwave oven. Some discussion may be found at madsci.
See also The "Tesla Coil " of the 1990s. Also "Grape Balls of Fire"


Blogger Lawrence B. Ebert said...

The junctiondailyblog had a post including the text:

It's not the water that burns, exactly. The microwaves are just the right frequency to break the bond between hydrogen and oxygen and split the water into its component elements. The two then recombine by burning, reaching a temperature of 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit. To give you an idea of how much energy is produced when pure hydrogen burns in the presence of pure oxygen, hydrogen and oxygen are the fuel and oxidizer that are burned in the Space Shuttle's main engines.

IPBiz notes that microwaves are at a frequency to ROTATE water molecules, which is a much lower energy than needed to break a bond in water. It is simply NOT TRUE that The microwaves are just the right frequency to break the bond between hydrogen and oxygen

IPBiz notes that no one has asserted that the Kanzius process produces more energy than it consumes. If it does not (which is likely the case), this is not a solution to any energy crisis. However the blog wrote the following:

Kanzius' invention is potentially huge. If salt water, which covers 70 percent of the earth's surface, can be made to burn, we have no more energy crisis. No more greenhouse gases either. When water burns, the only product that is produced is water. The question is not whether it can be made to give off more energy than is consumed in the process of splitting it--that violates the laws of thermodynamics--but whether it can generate enough energy, when considering water's availability and abundance, to justify the expense. And that's where Roy comes in.

The blog concludes:

Roy is seeking a Department of Energy grant to study the discovery. He's the right man for the job.

And if Rustum Roy says it works, it works. Period.

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